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		<title>The Shamrock &#8211; part II</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>When visiting the Derby Local Studies and Family History Library, I happened to mention my interest in &#8216;The Shamrock&#8216; and the enormously helpful staff located a map out the back&#8230; </p>
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<p>When visiting the Derby Local Studies and Family History Library, I happened to mention my interest in &#8216;<a href="https://geneageek.com/the-shamrock/">The Shamrock</a>&#8216; and the enormously helpful staff located a map out the back &#8211; Map of the Boro&#8217; of Derby shewing the number and position of Houses Licensed for the Sale of Intoxicating Drinks.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/derbypubmap.jpg"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-2528 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/derbypubmap.jpg" alt="" width="1003" height="679" /></a></p>
<p>This map was produced seemingly to illustrate a problem. According to the figures, a total of 574 premises for a rather precise &#8216;estimated population&#8217; of 103291 circa 1897, meant there was a licensed drinking house for roughly every 179 people.  But not only does the map give me an insight to the lifestyle and issues of the area,  it has also been helpful to pinpoint a more precise location for The Shamrock.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/numbers.png"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-1302 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/numbers.png" alt="" width="743" height="707" /></a></p>
<p>From research outlined in the <a href="https://geneageek.com/the-shamrock/">previous post</a>, The Shamrock was a licensed beerhouse located on Goodwin Street between 1857 and 1908.  The map shows 5 establishments on Goodwin Street alone:</p>
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</a><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/map.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-1301" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/map.png" alt="" width="800" height="788" /></a><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/key.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-1300" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/key.png" alt="" width="306" height="174" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/key.png 1631w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/key-1536x873.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/key-1568x891.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p>The key helpfully narrows things down by identifying each type of drinking house.  Therefore, the location of The Shamrock must have been located at the triangle symbol:</p>
<figure id="attachment_1306" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1306" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/Inkedmap_LI.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1306" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/Inkedmap_LI.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="787" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1306" class="wp-caption-text">The triangle symbol marks the likely location of The Shamrock</figcaption></figure>
<p>Unfortunately the area was demolished in the 1930s so I am unable to visit the actual building, but having this map somehow makes me feel a little better about that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2018 09:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Since at least 1842, William LAMB of Derby, had been recorded as a bricklayer.  However in the 1871 census, he was recorded living at 59 &#38; 60 Goodwin St &#8220;The&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure id="attachment_1279" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1279" style="width: 400px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/dickens-beerhouse.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1279" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/dickens-beerhouse.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="490" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1279" class="wp-caption-text"><a href="http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/cruikshank/ot8.html">Oliver claimed by his affectionate friends &#8211; George Cruikshank</a></figcaption></figure>
<p>Since at least 1842, William LAMB of Derby, had been recorded as a bricklayer.  However in the 1871 census, he was recorded living at 59 &amp; 60 Goodwin St &#8220;The Shamrock&#8221; and his profession was given as Bricklayer &amp; <em>Publican</em>. It was common for innkeepers to have secondary jobs but it was the first mention of this family being involved with running a pub.  Goodwin Street was located within the <a href="https://geneageek.com/the-slums-of-derby/">&#8216;slums of Derby&#8217;</a> which were later cleared in the 1930s. My initial search for this pub proved fruitless but over the years, I&#8217;ve managed to glean a little more information about this &#8216;phantom&#8217; pub.</p>
<figure id="attachment_1266" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1266" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1871-shamrock.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1266" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1871-shamrock.png" alt="" width="800" height="176" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1266" class="wp-caption-text">The 1871 census entry for &#8216;The Shamrock&#8217; and the Lamb family</figcaption></figure>
<p>In 1872, an inquest was held &#8216;upon the body of Rebecca Lamb, aged 51 years, wife of William Henry Lamb, landlord of &#8220;The Shamrock&#8221; beerhouse, Goodwin-street, who died on the previous day [17th April]&#8221; and the findings published in The Derby Mercury.</p>
<figure id="attachment_1268" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1268" style="width: 411px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1872-Rebecca-Lamb-Inquest-Derby-Mercury-24-April-1872-p5col4.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1268 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1872-Rebecca-Lamb-Inquest-Derby-Mercury-24-April-1872-p5col4.png" alt="" width="411" height="266" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1268" class="wp-caption-text">Rebecca Lamb&#8217;s Inquest in The Derby Mercury (24 April 1872, p5 col4)</figcaption></figure>
<p>In 1873, William Lamb of The Shamrock was among a number of &#8216;persons who had been called before the Bench to prove that their premises, if used for other than public-houses, would be rented at not less than 15 [pounds] a year&#8221; and received a renewal of their license.</p>
<figure id="attachment_1265" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1265" style="width: 582px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1873-Shamrock-Derby-Mercury-27-August-1873-p2-col1.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1265 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/1873-Shamrock-Derby-Mercury-27-August-1873-p2-col1.png" alt="" width="582" height="300" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1265" class="wp-caption-text">The Derby Mercury, 27 August 1873, p2 col1</figcaption></figure>
<p>These two newspaper clippings together tell me that The Shamrock was actually a licensed <em><strong>beerhouse</strong></em>.  According to <a href="http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/articles/beerhouse.html">HistoryHouse.co.uk</a>, beerhouses were &#8220;Premises which could sell only beer&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>The opening hours could be from 4am to 10pm. For a small fee of 2 guineas payable to the local excise officer, anyone could brew and sell beer. The excise licence would state whether the beer could be consumed on the premises (beerhouse) or as off-sales only (beershop).  [<a href="http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/articles/beerhouse.html">HistoryHouse.co.uk</a>]</p></blockquote>
<p>An 1874 directory also lists The Shamrock as a beerhouse:</p>
<figure id="attachment_2518" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2518" style="width: 414px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1874-shamrock.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-2518 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1874-shamrock.png" alt="" width="414" height="466" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-2518" class="wp-caption-text">Wright&#8217;s South Derbyshire Directory of 1874, p24</figcaption></figure>
<p>Whereas in 1878, another directory lists it as the &#8216;Shamrock Inn&#8217;:</p>
<figure id="attachment_2519" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2519" style="width: 401px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1878-shamrock.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-2519 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1878-shamrock.png" alt="" width="401" height="126" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-2519" class="wp-caption-text">Wilkins &amp; Ellis New Borough of Derby, 1878</figcaption></figure>
<p>The Shamrock is also recorded twice in<a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inns-Taverns-Illustrated-History-taverns/dp/1859833306/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=R1DXT179P9GZSEKXTF7C"><em> The Illustrated History of Derby&#8217;s Pubs</em></a> by Maxwell Craven which I located when visiting Derby Central Library.  The first instance notes that it was almost certainly&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;&#8230;named to encourage the colony of Irish families who in the early and mid-19th century lived (in some squalor, unfortunately) in this area, mainly in &#8216;Rookeries&#8217; &#8211; grandish old houses split up by unscrupulous landlords. First recorded by name in 1874, but to be identified with the anonymous beerhouse listed at this address in 1857 and 1862.  The name quite probably migrated with a landlord from King Street.  Closed in 1908 after pressure from Mrs Boden and the Derby  Temperance Association.&#8217; pp. 135-6</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #009900;">[NB: &#8220;First recorded by name in 1874&#8221; &#8211; does this refer to the 1874 directory entry or more official records?]</span></p>
<p>The second instance suggests it was a separate establishment located at 34 King Street from at least 1850 to 1852:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Possibly later renamed the <strong><em>Mechanics&#8217; Arms</em></strong>; it seems not unlikely that the landlord took the name with him to Goodwin Street, first recorded by name only a few years later.&#8221; p. 136</p></blockquote>
<p>Although the Lambs are recorded at the same address in the 1861 census, there is no mention of the Shamrock or any publican profession.  The King Street incarnation of the Mechanics&#8217; Arms appears in newspapers in 1862 under landlady Emily Bates <span style="color: #009900;">[was she the Shamrock&#8217;s original landlord?]</span><span style="color: #009900;"><span style="color: #000000;">. </span></span>It&#8217;s still possible that The Shamrock was <em>operating</em> but not <em>recorded</em> at the time of the 1861 census and that William Lamb was the landlord who took the name from King to Goodwin Street.  As yet, there is no evidence that the Lamb family ever lived on King Street so we may never know.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/the-shamrock-part-ii/">Read Part 2</a></p>
<figure id="attachment_1277" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1277" style="width: 620px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://picturethepast.org.uk/image-library/image-details/poster/drby002592/posterid/DRBY002592.html"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1277 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/goodwin-street-during-demolition-1930s.jpeg" alt="" width="620" height="640" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1277" class="wp-caption-text">Goodwin Street during demolition in the 1930s</figcaption></figure>
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