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		<title>Aunt Sally</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Before Rose Richards [nee LAMB] died, we were chatting about her family history via facebook messenger and she wrote: &#8220;… my Dad had a sister we called Sally. She married&#8230; </p>
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<p>Before Rose Richards [nee LAMB] died, we were chatting about her family history via facebook messenger and she wrote:</p>



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<p><span style="color: #008000;">&#8220;… my Dad had a sister we called Sally. She married a man named Woodward who left her and went to America. During the war an American soldier had a piece in the Derby Evening telegraph asking for her, But my Dad wouldn&#8217;t let us answer it.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">Rose Richards [nee Lamb], 2 Aug 2016</span></p>
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<p>I dutifully added the name Sally Lamb to the family tree as a brother of Reuben Henry LAMB (son of Hannah BATES and William Henry LAMB) but was unable to find the newspaper piece Rose refers to.</p>



<p>At a later point, likely trawling the newspapers for Rolletts, I came across an article requesting William Woodward come forward, or else his now deceased legal wife&#8217;s estate would be given to her brother John William Rollett:</p>



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<p><span style="color: #008000;">&#8220;TO WILLIAM WOODWARD formerly of Derby&#8230; and Birmingham&#8230; but whose present whereabouts is unknown.</span><br /><span style="color: #008000;">TAKE NOTICE that a Citation has issued citing you to cause an appearance to be entered for you in the Principal Probate Registry&#8230; within one month after publication hereof and accept or refuse Letters of Administration of the estate of SARAH JANE WOODWARD, of 53, Gisborne-street, Derby, in the County of Derby, deceased, or shew cause why the same should not be granted JOHN WILLIAM ROLLETT as a lawful brother of the whole blood of the said deceased and one of the persons interested in her estate, with an intimation that in default of your appearance Letters of Administration will be granted to the said JOHN WILLIAM ROLLETT.&#8221;</span></p>
<span style="color: #008000;"><cite>Derby Daily Telegraph, 12 May 1947, p10</cite></span></blockquote>



<p>This showed that Sally, officially known as Sarah Jane was actually a child of Hannah BATES&#8217; first husband, Alexander ROLLETT. Until then, I had only known him to have two sons &#8211; John William and William Henry. But since John was referred to as &#8216;a lawful brother of the whole blood&#8217;, I adjusted the tree and changed her maiden name to Sarah Jane ROLLETT, daughter of Alexander.</p>



<p>Unfortunately, this still didn&#8217;t help me in my quest for information. The closest I got was Sarah&#8217;s likely appearance in the 1939 register, where she was recorded as a widow and retired &#8216;rag sorter&#8217;.</p>
<figure id="attachment_1606" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1606" style="width: 1417px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-1606 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/8c0a59a15162dc5f042acc52629d3d3f.png" alt="" width="1417" height="92" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1606" class="wp-caption-text">Sarah Jane Woodward in the 1939 register</figcaption></figure>
<p>Today, however, I came across her long lost husband in an ancestry member tree. This tree gave her name as Sarah Jane BATES (her mother&#8217;s maiden name) and also shared a copy of the marriage certificate which shows the two had married in Birmingham in 1891.</p>
<figure id="attachment_1615" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1615" style="width: 1161px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-1615 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/dadfe51a5ae0b89055bd197a6e27d407.png" alt="" width="1161" height="370" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1615" class="wp-caption-text">The 1891 marriage of Sarah Jane BATES to William WOODWARD</figcaption></figure>
<p>Interestingly, Sally does not give her father&#8217;s name so it is still uncertain whether Alexander truly is her biological father. It is unlikely that her birth record would have his name either, since she is registered under her mother&#8217;s maiden name but I&#8217;d still like to order it one day to check. The fact that Sarah Jane was never recorded with her family intrigues me &#8211; perhaps she wasn&#8217;t actually Rollett&#8217;s child either?</p>
<p>It turns out that William had actually formed a relationship with his barmaid, Alice Robinson around 1907 (William &amp; Sally ran a pub in Aston &#8211; noted on the 1901 census) and had a couple of kids with her before migrating to Canada around 1910, where they lived as a married couple and continued to grow their family.</p>
<p>As for the newspaper piece Rose mentioned, according to William&#8217;s family he returned to England for a few years at the beginning of the war so it&#8217;s possible William did try to reach out to his former wife at that time (for whatever reason).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so amazing to actually find answers to these little mysteries and especially from another perspective. In addition, the search for Sally allowed me to unlock more doors into the intriguing life of Hannah Bates&#8230;</p>
<h3><span style="color: #008000;">Update:</span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">Due to the above article, I had assumed Sally died in 1947 but the only likely death record in the index was in 1941. I have now found the probate record that states she did die in 1941 but probate wasn&#8217;t granted until 1947. Presumably, time had to be given to locate her missing husband, William before it being passed on to her brother(?).</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">Next Steps:</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #008000;">order Sarah Jane BATES&#8217; birth certificate</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #008000;">locate newspaper article mentioned by Rose</span></li>
</ul>





<p style="font-size: 0;">And that&#8217;s where things have stayed for a long while. I was unable even to find a likely marriage between the two. But today, all that changed when I came across an ancestry member tree, which finally blew the doors open on this couple. More importantly, the discovery has helped me unlock even more doors.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>After a long (unintentional) break from genealogy, I returned to ancestry to find some &#8216;wiggling leaves&#8217; attached to Charles RICHARDS (b1851).  There was a death and probate suggestion which seemed&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a long (unintentional) break from genealogy, I returned to ancestry to find some &#8216;wiggling leaves&#8217; attached to Charles RICHARDS (b1851).  There was a death and probate suggestion which seemed very likely and got me a bit excited until I actually checked the detail on the probate entry:</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/e92ce-charlesrichards.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-722 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/e92ce-charlesrichards.png" alt="e92ce-charlesrichards" width="455" height="106" /></a></p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Although the places were apt, none of the names seemed familiar &#8211; <i>my</i> Charles married a Sarah MILLINGTON while this person&#8217;s widow was Ellen.  The names Jesse and Florence Edith were unfamiliar too.  So I searched and found a 1911 census record for this couple:</div>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fa93e-charles1911.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-723" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fa93e-charles1911.png" alt="fa93e-charles1911" width="800" height="74" /></a></p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">So with that probate ruled out, I went back to my hints page and looked at the other family trees containing Charles RICHARDS and his family.  At least 3 of these trees (which were referring to my Charles -born 1851, married to Sarah, father to 11 children) had listed that particular probate record as a source!</div>
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I rechecked the probate record and also listed was a retired shipwright of Liverpool whose widow was Sarah Ann RICHARDS:</div>
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Perhaps this is where the confusion lay?  However, Charles had appeared in every census from 1851 &#8211; always in Staffordshire and always related to the coal industry (particularly as a coal miner).</div>
<p>Although it IS possible that Charles may have remarried, a simple search of the 1911 census found Charles and Sarah still living in Walsall with four of their children:</p>
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<p>I left comments on two of the trees informing the owners of the mistake and am keen to hear back from them as they appear to have information (and PHOTOS!) of Charles&#8217; parents and siblings.</p>
<p>In closing, dear fellow geneageeks, PLEASE remember the first rule of genealogy and do not attach information to your tree without confirming it &#8211; however much you may want it to be true.  After a long hiatus, I was rusty and nearly fell into this trap &#8211; DON&#8217;T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!<!-- relpost-thumb-wrapper --></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Ancestry have now released the National Probate Calendar (1861-1941) which is almost like an index to wills.  A distant relative who has worked with me on my STILING line gave&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Ancestry have now released the National Probate Calendar (1861-1941) which is almost like an index to wills.  A distant relative who has worked with me on my STILING line gave me the heads up and I checked it out:</div>
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">STILING John 9 October.</span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">The Will of John Stiling late of Tiverton in the County of Devon Yeoman deceased who died 3 February 1862 at Tiverton aforesaid was proved at Exeter by the oath of Edward Stiling of the Parish of Tiverton aforesaid Yeoman the Son one of the Executors.</span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;">Effects under £600. </span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[handwritten underneath] </span>Resworn at the Stamp Office Feb 1865 under £450</span>.</div>
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<p>I believe this to be my John STILING for the following reasons:</p>
<ul>
<li>he dropped off the census after 1861</li>
<li>wife declared a widow on the 1871 census</li>
<li>recorded living at Tiverton since 1811 (son Edward&#8217;s birth)</li>
<li>has son Edward STILING</li>
<li>farmer (yeoman) since 1841 census</li>
</ul>
<p>This is the first time I had even come close to a death date for John STILING so I was very pleased indeed to see this entry.</p>
<p>I used ancestry to look further into the son mentioned, Edward STILING and found what appears to be his will too. The entry contained: <span style="color: #38761d;">formerly of Barton but late of Tiverton Farmer died 16 Feb 1873 at Tiverton &#8211; Elizabeth Daw, widow, his sister executrix.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">Not only do I have a death date but also a daughter of John that I was unaware of until now.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #38761d;">Next Steps:</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #38761d;">Obtain a copy of John &amp; Edward STILING&#8217;s wills</span></li>
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