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					<description><![CDATA[<p>This is almost a continuation of my post about antenuptial fornication but I have decided to post separately as I am still not sure whether this is the same person.&#8230; </p>
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<div>This is almost a continuation of my post about antenuptial fornication but I have decided to post separately as I am still not sure whether this is the same person.</div>
<p>In the Dumfries Kirk Sessions of 1822 (which are <a href="https://info.dumgal.gov.uk/HistoricalIndexes/Home/DisplayDetailedSearchResults_Dumfries_Kirk_Session">searchable online</a>), James BROWN was &#8220;<strong><span style="background-color: white; color: #38761d;">named as the father of Jean Smith&#8217;s child; [and] gave satisfaction for this in the parish of Applegarth</span></strong>&#8221; (Archive Ref: CH2/537/12).  I believe &#8216;gave satisfaction&#8217; (in this sense), meant that the father gave monetary compensation to the parish for their support of the child.</p>
<div>So was this James BROWN my ancestor, who appeared in the Dunscore parish records 6 years later for antenuptial fornication?  With such a common name I cannot be sure but I can assess the likelihood of it being the same man for future reference.</div>
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<div><strong>First</strong>, was he old enough to be involved in this?  Although I don&#8217;t have his birth record, the 1851 census suggests he was born in 1801, which means he would have been 21 at the time &#8211; a prime age for this kind of crime. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f609.png" alt="😉" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></div>
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<figure style="width: 400px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/56d3d-brown1851.jpg"><img decoding="async" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/56d3d-brown1851.jpg?w=300" alt="" width="400" height="137" border="0" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">James Brown and family on the 1851 census</figcaption></figure>
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<div>(Interestingly, their neighbour, Andrew Lorimer (appearing at bottom of image above) was the certifying physician on James&#8217; death certificate.)</div>
<p><strong>Next</strong>, was he near enough to be involved?  Applegarth is roughly 20 miles from Dunscore and about 30 miles from my James&#8217; home, Glencairn.  Not a short walk, but not impossible distances.</p>
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<figure style="width: 400px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ec388-applegarthmap.jpg"><img decoding="async" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ec388-applegarthmap.jpg?w=300" alt="" width="400" height="120" border="0" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Map showing locations of Applegarth, Dunscore and Glencairn (Moniaive) in relation to each other via <a href="http://www.multimap.com/maps/">multimap</a></figcaption></figure>
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<p>So I can&#8217;t rule out my James Brown as the father of Jean Smith&#8217;s illegitimate child and I have kept hold of this genealogical tidbit. To get any closer to proving this, I would need to check for further information in the Kirk Session records and the Applegarth parish records for any further information on Jean SMITH and her child.</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">Next Steps:</span></p>
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<li><span style="color: #008000;">Check for further information in the Kirk Session records</span></li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: line-through; color: #008000;">Check Applegarth parish records for the child&#8217;s birth</span></li>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;">Update: Checked Applegarth, Dunscore, Glencairn and Lochmaben parishes (via <a style="color: #008000;" href="http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/">ScotlandsPeople</a>) for any birth with Jean SMITH as parent (between 1800 &#8211; 1825) and any SMITH birth (between 1816 &#8211; 1825) &#8211; no likely entries found (all have listed fathers).</span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>A post by The Professional Descendant reminded me of my own ancestor&#8217;s indiscretion. It&#8217;s easy to think that people were more chaste in the past.  This may be true, but&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A post by <a href="http://professionaldescendant.blogspot.com/2010/02/pair-of-speedie-baptisms.html">The Professional Descendant</a> reminded me of my own ancestor&#8217;s indiscretion.</div>
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<div>It&#8217;s easy to think that people were more chaste in the past.  This may be true, but a journey through the parish records shows that people back then also indulged in sex before marriage or as the Victorians preferred to call it, &#8216;antenuptial fornication&#8217;.</div>
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<div>Whilst looking through the Dunscore parish records for births and marriages, I found an entry for James BROWN&#8217;s proclamation of banns, for which he paid 3 shillings on June 10, 1827. (James was originally mentioned in <a href="https://geneageek.com/dumfries-sheep-worrying/">this post</a>).</div>
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<div style="text-align: left;">I believe the next entry for June 16, shows his marriage although the bride&#8217;s name appears different.  In January the next year, the couple were blessed with their baby girl, Jane.</div>
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Someone must have done the maths though, because two weeks later James paid 3 shillings and 6 pence as a fine for antenuptial fornication.</div>
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<div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: 15pt;">Janet would have been about 2 months pregnant when they announced their intentions to marry back in June.  It is possible that Janet did not know she was pregnant but I think they were both aware when they decided to marry.  I wonder what must have gone through their heads &#8211; were they fearful of their secret being discovered?  How did their families react? Apart from the church fine, did they suffer any other repercussions or did it not matter now the child was legitimate?</span></div>
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