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		<title>Further Pedigree Collapse</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>I previously posted about &#8216;cousin marriage&#8217; and &#8216;pedigree collapse&#8217; in my tree here. I had wondered what effect two less ancestors would have on the ancestor count in my family&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I previously posted about &#8216;cousin marriage&#8217; and &#8216;pedigree collapse&#8217; in my tree <a href="https://geneageek.com/pedigree-collapse/">here</a>.</p>
<p>I had wondered what effect two less ancestors would have on the ancestor count in my family tree. It turned out, two less ancestors meant that in 17 generations I had 254 less ancestors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve now discovered another cousin marriage in my tree.</p>
<p>My 4th great-grandparents, Arthur Buchan and Agnes Buchan, married at Rathen, Aberdeenshire in 1828. Their fathers were brothers (as shown in the diagram below).</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Buchan-pedigree-collapse.png"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3718" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Buchan-pedigree-collapse.png" alt="" width="800" height="636" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>My pedigree is now only typical until the 8th generation, where I lose two 5x great grandparents, which leads to the loss of another 2046 ancestors by the 17th generation.</p>
<p>My ancestor count now looks like this:</p>
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<col width="154" />
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<col width="124" />
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<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Generation</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Relationship</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Typical Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>My Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Ancestors Lost</strong></td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">1</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Me</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Parents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">3</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">1x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">5</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">2x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">6</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">3x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">7</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">4x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">5x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">128</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">126</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-2</span></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">9</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">6x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">256</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">252</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-4</span></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">10</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">7x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">512</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">504</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-8</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">11</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">8x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1024</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1006</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-16</span>-2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">12</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">9x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2048</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2012</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-32</span>-4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">13</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">10x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4096</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4024</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-64</span>-8</td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">14</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">11x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8192</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8048</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-128</span>-16</td>
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<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">15</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">12x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16384</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16096</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-256</span>-32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">13x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32768</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">31562</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-512</span>-64</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">17</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">14x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">65536</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64384</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-1024</span>-128</td>
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<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>TOTAL</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>131070</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>128770</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>-2300</strong></td>
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<p>If I find any more, I will make sure to update.</p>
<p>(If you believe that I have actually calculated incorrectly, please let me know!)</p>
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		<title>Five Men Drowned &#8211; Connections</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[Aberdeenshire]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Buchan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bruce]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE NOTE: The charts shown on this post have an error. The father of Elisabeth Buchan (b1874) was not a granddaughter of John (Park&#8217;s Jockie) Buchan (b1792). Please see the&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>PLEASE NOTE: The charts shown on this post have an error. The father of Elisabeth Buchan (b1874) was not a granddaughter of John (Park&#8217;s Jockie) Buchan (b1792). Please see the post <a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned-connections-and-corrections/">&#8216;Five Men Drowned &#8211; Connections and Corrections&#8217;</a> for an updated chart and explanation.</strong></p>
<p>In the <a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned-one-survivor/">final post</a> of the series, I mentioned that I had not been able to find any <em>direct</em> link to my family from any of the five men. However, I thought it would probably be a good idea to show the links that <em>are</em> there.</p>
<figure id="attachment_2873" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2873" style="width: 2063px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart.png"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-2873 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart.png" alt="Family chart illustrating the connections between author's family and the victims" width="2063" height="933" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart.png 2063w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-1536x695.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-2048x926.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-1568x709.png 1568w" sizes="(min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-2873" class="wp-caption-text">How the five men connect to my family (click to enlarge image)</figcaption></figure>
<p>Alexander Ritchie Buchan was my second great-grandfather.</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Charles Bruce</strong> was the father-in-law of Alexander&#8217;s brother Peter.</li>
<li><strong>Andrew Buchan</strong> was the cousin of Alexander&#8217;s brother-in-law (husband of sister Jessie).</li>
<li><strong>Alexander Strachan</strong> and <strong>Andrew Strachan</strong> were the father-in-law and brother-in-law of Jessie&#8217;s husband&#8217;s cousin (Elisabeth).</li>
<li><strong>Andrew Bruce</strong> does not currently have any known connection to my family.</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Please note:</em> these are the closest connections as they currently stand. The families of St Combs were so entwined, there are bound to be other ways they link and less distant connections may be discovered in time.</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>UPDATE: </strong></span></p>
<p>Less than a day after posting the above, I was able to connect <strong>Andrew Bruce</strong>. It turns out that Andrew was actually the nephew of <strong>Charles Bruce</strong>.</p>
<figure id="attachment_2883" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2883" style="width: 2287px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2.png"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-2883 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2.png" alt="Family chart illustrating the connections between author's family and the victims with new addition" width="2287" height="924" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2.png 2287w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2-1536x621.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2-2048x827.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-2-1568x634.png 1568w" sizes="(min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-2883" class="wp-caption-text">Connection chart updated (click to enlarge)</figcaption></figure>
<p>Apparently though, Andrew is more closely connected to my family via a different route:</p>
<figure id="attachment_2882" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2882" style="width: 2483px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-2882 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1.png" alt="Family chart illustrating the connections between author's family and the victims with new addition" width="2483" height="1083" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1.png 2483w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1-1536x670.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1-2048x893.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Five-Men-Drowned-connection-chart-update-1-1568x684.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-2882" class="wp-caption-text">Closest Connections to my family (click to enlarge)</figcaption></figure>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>This can be expressed in many different ways &#8211; none of those being straight forward.</p>
<p>We could say:</p>
<p><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">My second great grandfather&#8217;s uncle married the second cousin of Andrew Bruce.</span></p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>My third great grandfather&#8217;s brother married Andrew Bruce&#8217;s second cousin.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>Andrew Bruce was the second cousin of my third great grandfather&#8217;s sister-in-law.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>Andrew Bruce was the second cousin of the wife of Alexander Ritchie Buchan&#8217;s uncle.</p>
<p>OR&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; (It could go on and on.)</p>
<p>Whichever way, I&#8217;m glad a connection has been made and will be sure to update here when closer ones are found.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Posts in this series:<br />
<a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned/">Five Men Drowned</a><br />
<a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned-two-recovered/">Five Men Drowned &#8211; Two Recovered</a><br />
<a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned-three-buried-at-sea/">Five Men Drowned &#8211; Three Buried at Sea</a><br />
<a href="https://geneageek.com/five-men-drowned-one-survivor/">Five Men Drowned &#8211; One Survivor</a></p>
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