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		<title>Bankrupt or Insolvent?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The last time I looked into the financial woes of my ancestor George Wreford, I wanted a simple explanation into the change in bankruptcy laws in 1861. I&#8217;ve since learned&#8230; </p>
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<p>The <a href="https://geneageek.com/curious-george/">last time</a> I looked into the financial woes of my ancestor George Wreford, I wanted a <em>simple</em> explanation into the change in bankruptcy laws in 1861. I&#8217;ve since learned the key to understanding is knowing the difference between bankruptcy and insolvency.</p>
<h4>Bankruptcy or Insolvency?</h4>
<p>Whether a person was declared bankrupt or insolvent, was dependent on the profession of the debtor.</p>
<p>Only traders could apply for bankruptcy and have access to some kind of relief &#8211; an &#8216;Order of Discharge&#8217; &#8211; which would effectively clear the debt, and allow them to rebuild their business or finances. Any money earned after bankruptcy was theirs to keep.</p>
<p>Non-traders were not able to do this, and would be liable for their debts forever. Any future assets or inheritance could be seized by creditors to pay off old debts, and they could be kept in gaol indefinitely.</p>
<h4>Why was this case?</h4>
<p>It was a long-held belief that financial failure in commerce was a natural risk of business (think: ‘market fluctuations’), whereas failure in private life was a moral or personal failing (think: ‘extravagant lifestyles’). Debtor’s prisons were seen as a punitive measure to discourage living beyond one’s means.</p>
<h4>What changed in 1861?</h4>
<p>After the new Bankruptcy Act (effective October 1861), non-traders could also apply for bankruptcy – an ‘Order of Discharge’ – so that they, too, could have their debts cleared.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for George, he became insolvent in March 1861 while still under the old laws.</p>
<h4>So why would George be considered a non-trader?</h4>
<p>The answer seems to lie in the fact that as well as being an innkeeper, butcher, and journeyman butcher, George was also described as a farmer.</p>
<p>Farmers were excluded from bankruptcy because their livelihood depended on the &#8216;labour of the soil&#8217; and the &#8216;uncertainty of the seasons&#8217;, NOT commercial trade.</p>
<p>So although George was a butcher and innkeeper, his farming defined his primary legal status. This meant the courts viewed his capital as being tied up in land and livestock reared by himself, rather than goods bought and sold. The meat he sold was likely butchered from his own animals rather than animals bought from someone else.</p>
<p>Being a &#8216;journeyman butcher&#8217; also suggested that he was an employee rather than a business owner, and therefore could not declare bankruptcy.</p>
<h4>The Petition</h4>
<figure id="attachment_4708" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4708" style="width: 433px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/The-London-Gazette-26-Mar-1861-issue-22495-pp1360-1361.png"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-4708 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/The-London-Gazette-26-Mar-1861-issue-22495-pp1360-1361.png" alt="" width="433" height="263" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4708" class="wp-caption-text">The London Gazette, 26 Mar 1861, issue 22495, pp1360-1361</figcaption></figure>
<p>This notice in the London Gazette tells us that George voluntarily declared insolvency. He would have recognised he was in serious financial trouble and filed his own petition, giving over all his assets to the court to pay off his debts. Had he not done this, a creditor could have had George sent to prison and controlled whether he was released.</p>
<h4>The &#8216;Benefit of the Act&#8217;</h4>
<figure id="attachment_4685" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4685" style="width: 576px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Exeter-Flying-Post-24-April-1861-p7-c3-01.png"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-4685 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Exeter-Flying-Post-24-April-1861-p7-c3-01.png" alt="" width="576" height="685" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4685" class="wp-caption-text">Exeter Flying Post, 24 April 1861, p7, c3</figcaption></figure>
<div>On 23 April 1861, George was declared &#8220;entitled to the benefit of the act, and ordered to be discharged&#8221;. In his case, &#8216;the benefit of the act&#8217; meant that he would be discharged from prison because the court was satisfied that he&#8217;d surrendered all his assets and not committed fraud. Apparently it protected him from being imprisoned again for those specific debts BUT could still have future money and assets taken away to pay off creditors.</div>
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<div>No wonder he took off to New Zealand a few years later!</div>
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<div><span style="color: #008000;">(NB: Mr John Laidman (c. 1799–1871) was a prominent Exeter solictor (and City Treasurer) who specialised in bankruptcy law. He even wrote a legal guide, <em class="eujQNb" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-complete="true">Bankruptcy and Insolvency: Practical Observations on the Laws</em>, in 1857.)</span></div>
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		<title>&#8220;Is There Anyone to Save My Life?&#8221;</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Samuel Perkins and Elizabeth Collins were both born in Market Harborough and married there in 1846. By 1851, the couple had taken up residence in Sun Yard. The yards of&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure id="attachment_4643" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4643" style="width: 679px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Screenshot-2025-08-23-080900.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-4643 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Screenshot-2025-08-23-080900.png" alt="" width="679" height="475" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4643" class="wp-caption-text">Paraffin lamp advertisement from 1897 (Leven Advertiser, 28 Jan 1897, p2)</figcaption></figure>
<p>Samuel Perkins and Elizabeth Collins were both born in Market Harborough and married there in 1846. By 1851, the couple had taken up residence in Sun Yard.</p>
<p>The yards of Market Harborough ran off the High Street and adjoining roads, behind the more substantial shops, inns and houses. The residential yards were similar to court housing &#8211; low quality, high density property where poor people were housed, often in less than desirable conditions. Sun Yard, now demolished, was situated behind the church in which they married &#8211; roughly where Roman Way now leads off from Church Square and Adam and Eve Street.</p>
<p>Samuel and Elizabeth, who did not have any children, continued to live in Sun Yard until a tragic event occurred in early 1892.</p>
<figure id="attachment_4640" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4640" style="width: 694px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Sun-yard-Market-Harborough-c1885.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-4640 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Sun-yard-Market-Harborough-c1885.png" alt="" width="694" height="482" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4640" class="wp-caption-text">Sun Yard highlighted on a map of Market Harborough c1885</figcaption></figure>
<p>On the night of Saturday 2 January, about quarter past 9, Samuel decided to go to bed, and left his wife Elizabeth sitting by a small fire &#8211; she said she would go to bed herself in a few minutes.</p>
<p>After about 20 minutes, Samuel heard Elizabeth shouting, &#8220;Fire!&#8221; and rushed downstairs to find his wife in flames. She was standing in a corner near the door which led into the yard, with her clothing in flames from her knees up over her head. He threw some water over her that he kept in the room in case of fire, and went out to fetch more water.</p>
<p>While he was gone, their neighbour, Catherine Holmes, who had been coming down the passage at the end of the Perkins&#8217; house, saw Elizabeth rush out in flames shouting, &#8220;Oh, dear, is there anyone to save my life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mrs. Holmes took a bag (or sack) that was hanging nearby and put it around her shoulders to extinguish the flames. With assistance, Elizabeth was carried into Mrs. Holmes&#8217; house. She went to get another neighbour, Mrs. Bale, and when she came back Elizabeth&#8217;s clothes had been taken off, and she was wrapped in a blanket.</p>
<p>When Samuel returned to his house, he found the lamp-glass lying on the table, and the light from it blazing nearly up to the ceiling. Elizabeth was carried back home, and Mrs Holmes&#8217; then sent one of her young sons to fetch a doctor.</p>
<figure id="attachment_4647" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4647" style="width: 190px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/1860s-paraffin-lamp.jpeg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-4647" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/1860s-paraffin-lamp.jpeg" alt="" width="190" height="338" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4647" class="wp-caption-text">An 1860s lamp (via <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250823075254/https://www.objectlessons.org/houses-and-homes-victorians/oil-lamp-victorian-original/s59/a959/">ObjectLessons.org</a>)</figcaption></figure>
<p>The next day, Samuel asked Elizabeth how the accident happened. She said she was trying to put the glass over the lamp with her apron, when the apron caught fire.</p>
<p>Despite continuing medical treatment from doctors, Elizabeth died about 8 o&#8217;clock Monday evening.</p>
<p>An inquest was held at the police station on Tuesday 12 January.</p>
<p>Mr. William Frederick Bruce, the surgeon who attended her, stated that he found Elizabeth suffering from extensive burns on the body, especially on the right side, the throat, and mouth. He dressed the wounds and attended her until her death which he thought was caused by shock to the system.</p>
<p>Samuel said he had not been in the habit of going to bed and leaving his wife downstairs, and that when he had gone upstairs the glass was on the lamp.</p>
<p>The jury returned a verdict that Elizabeth was accidentally burnt to death by the upsetting of a paraffin lamp. Touchingly, the jury, in an act of sympathy and/or charity, gave their fees to Samuel.</p>
<figure id="attachment_4632" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4632" style="width: 421px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/familydoctor8Jan1887.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-4632 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/familydoctor8Jan1887.png" alt="" width="421" height="601" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4632" class="wp-caption-text">This 1887 cover of &#8216;The Family Doctor and People&#8217;s Medical Adviser&#8217; cautioned against the dangers of paraffin lamps.</figcaption></figure>
<p>Poor Elizabeth was just one of many deaths attributed to the use of paraffin lamps in the home. Although there are no specific numbers and statistics, a look through the newspapers shows just how prevalent paraffin lamp accidents were in Victorian times. In an age where gas and electricity were not yet widely available (gas lighting was only introduced to Leicestershire in 1879, and electricity in 1899), these lamps offered more affordable, brighter and longer-lasting light than candles.</p>
<figure id="attachment_4654" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4654" style="width: 374px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Market-Harborough-Adve.-19-January-1892.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-4654" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Market-Harborough-Adve.-19-January-1892.jpg" alt="" width="374" height="1034" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Market-Harborough-Adve.-19-January-1892.jpg 748w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Market-Harborough-Adve.-19-January-1892-556x1536.jpg 556w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Market-Harborough-Adve.-19-January-1892-741x2048.jpg 741w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-4654" class="wp-caption-text">Market Harborough Advertiser, 19 Jan 1892, p5, c1</figcaption></figure>
<p>Elizabeth was my husband&#8217;s 3rd great-grandaunt.</p>
<p>She was the sister of Sarah Collins who was the wife of Thomas Ebben. Thomas died in Market Harborough in 1878, and it seems quite likely that he also died in Sun Yard, maybe even in the home of Elizabeth and Samuel.</p>
<h4>Newspaper Sources:</h4>
<ul>
<li>Shocking Case of Burning: Market Harborough Advertiser, 12 Jan 1892, p4, c1</li>
<li>Shocking Paraffin Lamp Accident; Leicester Chronicle, 16 Jan 1892, p7, c8</li>
<li>Fatal Case of Burning: Market Harborough Advertiser, 19 Jan 1892, p5, c1</li>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Lower Shobrooke&#8217; was a property owned by members of the Wreford family. Often described as being situated in Morchard Bishop, it is closer to the Hamlet of Morchard Road (within&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Lower Shobrooke&#8217; was a property owned by members of the Wreford family. Often described as being situated in Morchard Bishop, it is closer to the Hamlet of Morchard Road (within the parish of Down St Mary). It is described as a &#8216;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250505112025/https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/5586725/767397389/document-0.pdf">detached period farmhouse</a>&#8216; or a &#8216;period cottage&#8217; but the exact period this refers to is unspecified.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3755" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3755" style="width: 718px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Shobrook-c1809.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3755 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Shobrook-c1809.png" alt="c1809 map" width="718" height="648" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3755" class="wp-caption-text">&#8216;Shobrook&#8217; shown in proximity to Morchard Bishop and Down St Mary c1809</figcaption></figure>
<p>It is unclear when the property entered Wreford hands but the estate was mentioned in the Domesday Book as &#8216;Schipebroc&#8217; (Sheepbrook), and apparently even earlier in a charter of 930 AD.</p>
<p>The estate passed from Matthew Wreford (1712-1752) to his eldest son Matthew (1741-1821) and (it seems) subsequently to <em>his</em> son John (1765-1845).</p>
<p>Matthew (junior) had to wait until he turned 24 before inheriting &#8211; he was only 11 when his father died. (Matthew senior died at the age 40, and eleven years before his own father Matthew Wreford &#8216;of Middlecott&#8217; (1682-1763).</p>
<p>In 1822, Lower Shobrooke was put up for auction &#8220;to be SOLD for the Life of the Owner, Mr. JOHN WREFORD, now aged about 56 years&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lower_Shobrooke.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3727" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lower_Shobrooke.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="736" /></a></p>
<p>However, it is unclear whether the property sold as his wife, Betty (nee Hosegood), was described as &#8216;of Lower Shobrooke&#8217; when she was buried in 1829.</p>
<p>In the 1841 census, three families were living at &#8216;Shobrook&#8217;, including the family of John Wreford (1817-1892). (He was the great grandson of Matthew Sr&#8217;s brother William Wreford (1717-1763). This John Wreford was recorded at &#8216;Higher Shobrooke&#8217; in the 1851 census.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1841-Lower-Shobrooke.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3725 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1841-Lower-Shobrooke.png" alt="" width="617" height="567" /></a></p>
<p>In the 1851 census, two families were recorded at &#8216;Lower Shobrooke&#8217;, named Mann and Warren. The heads were recorded as agricultural labourers so would not have owned the property.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3724" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3724" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1851-Lower-Shobrooke-a.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3724" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1851-Lower-Shobrooke-a.png" alt="Image of part of the 1851 census" width="800" height="154" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3724" class="wp-caption-text">The Mann family at Lower Shobrooke in the 1851 census</figcaption></figure>
<figure id="attachment_3726" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3726" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1851-Lower-Shobrooke-b.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3726" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/1851-Lower-Shobrooke-b.png" alt="Image of part of the 1851 census" width="800" height="85" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3726" class="wp-caption-text">The Mann family at Lower Shobrooke in the 1851 census</figcaption></figure>
<h4>My ancestry</h4>
<p>Matthew Wreford (1712-1752) was my 7th great-grandfather.</p>
<h4>Links related to Lower Shobrooke:</h4>
<p><a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/jNpw9ufecVFbzvhx8">Location on modern map</a></p>
<p><a href="https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.2&amp;lat=50.82778&amp;lon=-3.76214&amp;layers=6&amp;b=ESRIWorld&amp;o=100&amp;marker=50.827793,-3.761154">Location on c1904 map</a></p>
<p><a href="https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.2&amp;lat=50.82891&amp;lon=-3.76430&amp;layers=257&amp;b=ESRIWorld&amp;o=100&amp;marker=50.827793,-3.761154">Location on c1886 map</a></p>
<p><a href="https://maps.nls.uk/view/257576684">Location on c1809 map</a></p>
<p>Shobrooke Farmstead on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250505111912/https://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=MDV15196&amp;resourceID=104">Heritage Gateway</a> (Devon &amp; Dartmoore HER)</p>
<p>Real estate <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250505112025/https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/5586725/767397389/document-0.pdf">catalogue</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Lower_Shobrooke%2C_Wreford_Name_Study">Lower Shobrooke, Wreford Name Study wikitree category</a> &#8211; lists profiles of Wrefords connected with the property</p>
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		<title>Further Pedigree Collapse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>I previously posted about &#8216;cousin marriage&#8217; and &#8216;pedigree collapse&#8217; in my tree here. I had wondered what effect two less ancestors would have on the ancestor count in my family&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I previously posted about &#8216;cousin marriage&#8217; and &#8216;pedigree collapse&#8217; in my tree <a href="https://geneageek.com/pedigree-collapse/">here</a>.</p>
<p>I had wondered what effect two less ancestors would have on the ancestor count in my family tree. It turned out, two less ancestors meant that in 17 generations I had 254 less ancestors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve now discovered another cousin marriage in my tree.</p>
<p>My 4th great-grandparents, Arthur Buchan and Agnes Buchan, married at Rathen, Aberdeenshire in 1828. Their fathers were brothers (as shown in the diagram below).</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Buchan-pedigree-collapse.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3718" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Buchan-pedigree-collapse.png" alt="" width="800" height="636" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>My pedigree is now only typical until the 8th generation, where I lose two 5x great grandparents, which leads to the loss of another 2046 ancestors by the 17th generation.</p>
<p>My ancestor count now looks like this:</p>
<table class="aligncenter" dir="ltr" style="width: 600px;" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" data-sheets-root="1" data-sheets-baot="1">
<colgroup>
<col width="73" />
<col width="154" />
<col width="124" />
<col width="124" />
<col width="74" /></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Generation</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Relationship</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Typical Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>My Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Ancestors Lost</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">1</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Me</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Parents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">3</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">1x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">5</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">2x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">6</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">3x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">7</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">4x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">5x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">128</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">126</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-2</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">9</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">6x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">256</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">252</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-4</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">10</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">7x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">512</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">504</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-8</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">11</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">8x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1024</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1006</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-16</span>-2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">12</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">9x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2048</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2012</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-32</span>-4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">13</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">10x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4096</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4024</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-64</span>-8</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">14</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">11x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8192</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8048</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-128</span>-16</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">15</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">12x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16384</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16096</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-256</span>-32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">13x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32768</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">31562</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-512</span>-64</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">17</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">14x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">65536</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64384</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">-1024</span>-128</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>TOTAL</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>131070</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>128770</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>-2300</strong></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>If I find any more, I will make sure to update.</p>
<p>(If you believe that I have actually calculated incorrectly, please let me know!)</p>
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		<title>Drowned Near the Boat Shore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 17:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>On 26 October 1859, cousins Andrew Buchan (23) and Robert Buchan (17), drowned when their boat was overturned by a strong wind in deep water (Robert was incorrectly named Arthur&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure id="attachment_3709" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3709" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Rein_Miedema_-_Fishing_Boat_in_Rough_Seas.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3709 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Rein_Miedema_-_Fishing_Boat_in_Rough_Seas.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="472" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3709" class="wp-caption-text">Fishing Boat in Rough Seas by Rein Miedema (1884)</figcaption></figure>
<p>On 26 October 1859, cousins Andrew Buchan (23) and Robert Buchan (17), drowned when their boat was overturned by a strong wind in deep water (Robert was incorrectly named Arthur in the article). The cause of death given on their death records was, &#8220;Drowning Near the Boat Shore&#8221;. John Buchan, Andrew&#8217;s brother, certified that both were buried at St Combs Churchyard.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3680" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3680" style="width: 817px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a style="text-decoration-style: dotted; text-decoration-skip-ink: none;" href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fatalboataccident.jpeg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3680 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fatalboataccident.jpeg" alt="clipping from newspaper" width="817" height="224" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3680" class="wp-caption-text">Aberdeen Journal, 5 October 1859, p3, c6</figcaption></figure>
<p>Their fathers, Andrew Buchan and Arthur Buchan, were brothers. Arthur Buchan, father of 23-year-old Andrew, was my 4th great grandfather; and brother of my 3rd great-grandmother, Helen Buchan. Helen was 19 when her older brother, and younger cousin, drowned (she would marry James Findlay two years later). I can only imagine the devastating effect this tragedy had on the family.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/1859-drowning-tree-01.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3684" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/1859-drowning-tree-01.png" alt="" width="800" height="419" /></a></p>
<p>Andrew was the one who &#8220;left a widow to lament his fate&#8221;. He was described as &#8216;married&#8217; on his death record, but infuriatingly did not give his wife&#8217;s name. There was a likely 1857 marriage record to an Isabella Buchan in Rathen, but it was difficult to establish which of the many Isabella Buchans this could have been.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3681" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3681" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/deaths.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3681" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/deaths.png" alt="image of two entries in the death register of Lonmay parish, Aberdeen" width="800" height="366" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3681" class="wp-caption-text">Death Records of Andrew and Robert Buchan (1859)</figcaption></figure>
<p>I had to cough up the credits and order the marriage record to make sure it was the right one. Sure enough, Andrew&#8217;s parents were recorded, confirming it was the correct people. Isabella&#8217;s parents were also recorded but leads to another issue&#8230; which of the many &#8216;William Buchan and Elizabeth Duthie&#8217; couples are they?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>I just LOVE finding connections within families. In part 4 of &#8216;The Hannah Chronicles&#8217;, Hannah was involved an incident with a man named Samuel Steele. One of the newspapers reporting&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just LOVE finding connections within families.</p>
<p>In <a href="https://geneageek.com/podcast/#ep13">part 4 of &#8216;The Hannah Chronicles&#8217;</a>, Hannah was involved an incident with a man named Samuel Steele. One of the newspapers reporting the incident, mentioned that William Lamb was a cousin of Steele&#8217;s wife.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3664" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3664" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Samuel-Steele-connection.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3664" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Samuel-Steele-connection.png" alt="Tree diagram showing the relationship between William Lamb and Samuel Steele" width="800" height="608" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3664" class="wp-caption-text">Samuel Steele was the husband of William Lamb&#8217;s cousin</figcaption></figure>
<p>I have since found out that there is <em>another</em> family connection.</p>
<p>Three years after William Lamb&#8217;s grandfather Daniel Toon died, his grandmother Mary Kennah, married a man named Robert Fellows. <span style="font-size: 12pt;">(Note: Since Daniel died before William was born, he may have even looked upon Robert as his grandfather.)</span></p>
<p>When expanding William Hirst&#8217;s tree, I found that his mother&#8217;s maiden name was also &#8216;Fellows&#8217;. Coincidences like this <em>need</em> to be explored, and in this case, it turned out that William Hirst&#8217;s mother, Ann Fellows, was the sister of Robert Fellows.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3669" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3669" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Hirst-Toon-connection-01.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3669" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Hirst-Toon-connection-01.png" alt="" width="800" height="353" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3669" class="wp-caption-text">William Hirst&#8217;s mother was the sister of Robert Fellows</figcaption></figure>
<p>William Hirst&#8217;s parents even appear to be witnesses at Mary&#8217;s marriage to Robert.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3671" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3671" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Toon-marriage.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3671" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Toon-marriage.png" alt="" width="800" height="233" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Toon-marriage.png 1565w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Fellows-Toon-marriage-1536x447.png 1536w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3671" class="wp-caption-text">Marriage record showing Thomas and Ann Hirst as witnesses at the marriage of Mary Toon (nee Kennah) to Robert Fellows</figcaption></figure>
<p>When Mary Kennah married Robert Fellows in 1849, her eldest daughter Sarah Toon was about 15 years old. Seven years later, in 1856, Sarah married William Hirst, the son of Robert&#8217;s sister.</p>
<p>So, Sarah Toon&#8217;s husband was her stepfather&#8217;s nephew.</p>
<p>This also means that when Hannah Bates was fighting with &#8216;William&#8217;s cousin&#8217;s husband&#8217;, she was also fighting with his step-grandfather&#8217;s nephew!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2024 21:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Cousin marriage is given the side eye these days but it was a relatively common thing for our ancestors. It seemed to happen a lot with the Wrefords in Devon,&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cousin marriage is given the side eye these days but it was a relatively common thing for our ancestors. It seemed to happen a lot with the Wrefords in Devon, and the Buchans in North East Aberdeenshire, but I’ve actually only been able to find it once in my direct ancestral line (so far).</p>
<p>Way back in the mid 18th century, my 6th great-grandparents, Sarah Wreford and John Wreford, married. Sarah and John were 1st cousins &#8211; their fathers were brothers.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3599" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage.png" alt="" width="800" height="647" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage.png 4101w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage-1536x1243.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage-2048x1657.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/example-of-cousin-marriage-1568x1269.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p>This kind of situation leads to what is known as &#8216;pedigree collapse&#8217;.</p>
<p>A typical pedigree assumes each set of parents are unrelated to each other and each generation doubles (since each person has 2 parents).</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3604" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers.png" alt="" width="800" height="472" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers.png 4087w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers-1536x906.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers-2048x1208.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AtypicalpedigreeNumbers-1568x925.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3605" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours.png" alt="" width="800" height="472" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours.png 4087w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours-1536x906.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours-2048x1208.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Atypicalpedigreecolours-1568x925.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">Pedigree collapse occurs when two people who share ancestors reproduce.  </span></p>
<p>This is demonstrated in the pedigree of Sarah and John&#8217;s son (and my 5th great-grandfather), John Wreford:</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3636" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb.png" alt="" width="800" height="472" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb.png 4087w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb-1536x906.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb-2048x1208.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AcollapsedpedigreeInNumbersb-1568x925.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">Instead of having four distinct sets of great-grandparents, Sarah and John&#8217;s children had only three.</span></p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3607" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2.png" alt="" width="800" height="472" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2.png 4087w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2-1536x906.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2-2048x1208.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Acollapsedpedigree2-1568x925.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a></p>
<p>Their children had only 6 great-parents instead of 8; 12 second great-grandparents instead of 16; 24 third great-grandparents instead of 32; and so on. (The number of ancestors lost each generation doubles: 8 <strong>-2</strong>; 16 <strong>-4</strong>; 32 <strong>-8</strong>; etc.)</p>
<p>This got me wondering. What knock on effect would 2 less ancestors have on my overall ancestor count?</p>
<p>My pedigree is typical until the 11th generation, where I lose 2 8x great grandparents. So instead of 1024<span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"> </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">8xGGP</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">, I have 1022</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">; instead of 2048</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"> </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">9xGGP</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">, I have 2044 ; instead of 4096</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"> </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">10xGGP</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">, I have 4088; and so on.</span></p>
<p>My ancestor count (so far) looks like this:</p>
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<col width="154" />
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<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Generation</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Relationship</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Typical Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>My Number</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>Ancestors Lost</strong></td>
</tr>
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<td style="text-align: center;">1</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Me</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Parents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">3</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">4</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">1x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
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<td style="text-align: center;">5</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">2x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">6</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">3x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">7</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">4x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">64</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">8</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">5x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">128</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">128</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">9</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">6x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">256</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">256</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">10</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">7x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">512</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">512</td>
<td style="text-align: right;"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">11</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">8x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1024</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">1022</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">12</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">9x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2048</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">2044</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">13</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">10x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4096</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">4088</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-8</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">14</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">11x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8192</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">8176</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-16</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">15</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">12x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16384</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">16352</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-32</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">16</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">13x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32768</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">32704</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-64</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="text-align: center;">17</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">14x Great grandparents</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">65536</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">65408</td>
<td style="text-align: right;">-128</td>
</tr>
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<td style="text-align: center;"><strong>TOTAL</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>131070</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>130816</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right;"><strong>-254</strong></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>Further calculations will need to be made if/when I find more kissing cousins.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 19:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, I wrote about my ancestor William Wreford&#8217;s second wife, Ann Maunder (see post: Good Tithings). I had long thought that Maunder was her maiden name but discovered&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, I wrote about my ancestor William Wreford&#8217;s second wife, Ann Maunder (see post: <a href="https://geneageek.com/good_tithings/">Good Tithings</a>). I had long thought that Maunder was her maiden name but discovered she was likely born Ann Anstey, and married a man named George Maunder. Today I stumbled on more evidence to support this theory.</p>
<p>William and Ann had a daughter named Elizabeth Ann Wreford born in Tiverton, Devon. While &#8217;rounding out&#8217; her story, I found her in the 1851 census in London. Elizabeth was in the home of &#8216;Aeneas B. Reid&#8217; and his wife &#8216;Anne Maunder Reid&#8217;, recorded as a sister-in-law. Obviously the name Maunder jumped out at me. Mrs Reid&#8217;s age also tied in with the details for Ann and George Maunder&#8217;s daughter Ann (her baptism record can be seen in <a href="https://geneageek.com/good_tithings/">the earlier post</a>).</p>
<figure id="attachment_3573" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3573" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1851-census.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3573" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1851-census.png" alt="" width="800" height="272" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1851-census.png 1708w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1851-census-1536x522.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1851-census-1568x532.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3573" class="wp-caption-text">1851 census image showing Elizabeth Ann Wreford in the home of her half-sibling Ann Maunder</figcaption></figure>
<p>Luckily, I could access the image of the marriage Ann Maunder (jr) to Aeneas Barkley Reid a couple years earlier in 1849. It confirmed her father&#8217;s name was George Maunder and also held the signatures of two witnesses: William Wreford and Mary Wreford.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3572" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3572" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1849-marriage-of-Ann-Maunder-and-Aeneas-Barkley-Reid.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3572" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1849-marriage-of-Ann-Maunder-and-Aeneas-Barkley-Reid.png" alt="" width="800" height="254" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3572" class="wp-caption-text">1849 marriage of Ann Maunder to Aeneas Barkley Reid with Wreford witnesses</figcaption></figure>
<p>(I believe these witnesses are likely to be Ann&#8217;s step sibling (son of William Wreford to his first wife) and his wife, who also lived in London at the time.)</p>
<p>After this discovery, everything has started tumbling into place. Another half sibling, Mary Anna, who I was previously unable to pin down, shows up in the census record with the Reids in 1861.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3577" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3577" style="width: 372px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1861-census.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3577 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1861-census.png" alt="" width="372" height="329" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3577" class="wp-caption-text">1861 census showing Mary Anna Wreford with her half-sibling Ann Maunder</figcaption></figure>
<p>She also appears to have been buried in the family plot of Elizabeth Ann, who had married Alexander Small in 1853.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3578" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3578" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1863-burial.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3578" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1863-burial.png" alt="" width="800" height="235" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3578" class="wp-caption-text">1863 Tower Hamlets Cemetery burial record of Mary Anna Wreford, showing she was buried in the &#8216;Smalls&#8217;s Grave&#8217;</figcaption></figure>
<p>Mary Anna and Aeneas Barkley Reid also show up as witnesses to that marriage,</p>
<figure id="attachment_3579" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3579" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1853-marriage.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3579" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1853-marriage.png" alt="" width="800" height="251" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3579" class="wp-caption-text">1853 marriage of Elizabeth Ann Wreford to Alexander Small (note witnesses)</figcaption></figure>
<p>and the Small&#8217;s son is recorded with Elizabeth Ann&#8217;s brother Willliam in the 1861 census.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3581" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3581" style="width: 387px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1861-census-w-Small.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3581 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1861-census-w-Small.png" alt="" width="387" height="127" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3581" class="wp-caption-text">1861 census showing Elizabeth Ann&#8217;s son Alexander with her half-brother William</figcaption></figure>
<p>What tops it off for me, is seeing that my direct ancestor William Wreford was also buried in the Small family plot (4029).</p>
<figure id="attachment_3580" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3580" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1866-burial.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3580" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1866-burial.png" alt="" width="800" height="153" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1866-burial.png 1562w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1866-burial-1536x293.png 1536w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3580" class="wp-caption-text">1866 Tower Hamlets Cemetery burial record of William Wreford, showing he was also buried in the &#8216;Smalls&#8217; Grave&#8217;</figcaption></figure>
<p>All of this &#8216;coming together&#8217; is very satisfying, and gives me an insight into how much the siblings lives were entwined with each other.</p>
<p>And of course, I&#8217;m now pretty confident William Wreford&#8217;s wife Ann Maunder was born Ann Anstey.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3586" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3586" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3586" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01.png" alt="" width="800" height="450" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01.png 4500w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01-1536x865.png 1536w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01-2048x1153.png 2048w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Maunder-Wreford-01-01-1568x883.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3586" class="wp-caption-text">A tree to help make sense of all this (click to enlarge)</figcaption></figure>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>As part of my Ebbans One Name Study, I spent some time researching a man involved in the Agrarian Riots of the 1820s and 1830s. Imagine my excitement when while&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of my Ebbans One Name Study, I spent some time researching a man involved in the Agrarian Riots of the 1820s and 1830s. Imagine my excitement when while watching an episode of <em>Who Do You Think You Are</em>, parts of the story began to sound familiar to me and I realised they were referring to the man I had researched!</p>
<p><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">Part of the episode focused on Ed Balls&#8217; agricultural labourer ancestor, Christopher Green, who was also involved in the riots and charged with arson alongside William Ebbon in 1832. (It can be viewed on the <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00122y8/who-do-you-think-you-are-series-18-7-ed-balls">BBC iPlayer</a> &#8211; Green&#8217;s story begins at 29:45.)</span></p>
<p>William Ebbon was baptised at St Leonard&#8217;s, Horningsheath (later known as Horringer) in Suffolk, on the 4th of August 1799. He was the son of William Ebbon and Temperance Elliss.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3530" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3530" style="width: 800px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/n00689-Mousehold-Heath-Norwich-1110x460-1.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3530" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/n00689-Mousehold-Heath-Norwich-1110x460-1.jpg" alt="An oil painting landscape. Two men on a hill look out over an extensive tract of land north-east of Norwich." width="800" height="332" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3530" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Mousehold Heath, Norwich</em> by John Crome (c1816-1818)</figcaption></figure>
<p>By 1821, the family had settled in nearby Winfarthing, Norfolk. In the 1821 census, William was recorded with his parents at the Winfarthing Workhouse. However, they were not inmates, his father was noted as the governor, whereas 22-year-old William was recorded as a labourer.</p>
<p>The show discusses Christopher Green&#8217;s arrest for destroying a threshing machine at Winfarthing on 19 September 1822. William wasn&#8217;t named as one of the men involved that night, but he was arrested for the same offence 10 days later. He and Ed Balls&#8217; ancestor were both part of the growing movement of disgruntled agricultural labourers who felt forced to act against their livelihoods being taken away from them. One of the main issues was the introduction of new machinery that took even more work away from the already struggling labourers. (For more information see my post about the <a href="https://geneageek.com/agrarian-riots/">Agrarian Riots</a>.)</p>
<p>On 29 September 1822, William was involved in the breaking of a threshing machine at Winfarthing during a riot of agricultural labourers. He and a man named Robert Large, pleaded guilty and the court decided that as their conduct was &#8220;not having been of an aggravated description&#8221;, both were sentenced to be bound in their own recognizance of £20. They were able to do so and were discharged.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3487" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3487" style="width: 600px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Norfolk_Chronicle_14_December_1822_0003_Clip.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3487" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Norfolk_Chronicle_14_December_1822_0003_Clip.jpg" alt="newspaper clipping" width="600" height="290" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3487" class="wp-caption-text">Norfolk Chronicle, 14 December 1822, p3, c2</figcaption></figure>
<p>Ten years later, William was again involved in destruction of property. In 1832, he, along with Christopher Green and Robert Hubbard, was charged with &#8220;having set fire to the premises of the Manor-house called Winfarthing Lodge, the property of the Earl of Albemarle, and in the occupation of Mr. Daniel Doggett, an opulent farmer&#8230;&#8221;.  The men were committed to Norwich Castle (the county gaol). Hubbard &#8216;turned approver&#8217; and gave evidence implicating William, Christopher Green and two others, Robert Dixon and Francis Mullett, in the crime of sheep stealing. [<span style="color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: 13.3333px;">Stamford Mercury, 25 May 1832, p4, c6]</span></p>
<figure id="attachment_3508" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3508" style="width: 600px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Norwich-Castle.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3508 size-full" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Norwich-Castle.jpg" alt="A colour drawing. Norwich Castle on a hill looms over a stonemason's yard in the foreground." width="600" height="681" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3508" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Norwich Castle</em> by James Bridges (1833)</figcaption></figure>
<p>Ultimately, the grand jury of the Norfolk and Norwich Assizes held 30 August 1832, ignored the bills of arson against them, and acquitted them of having stolen a ewe sheep, the property of Mr. Edmund Bale, of Tibbenham on 21 December 1831. <span style="font-size: 10pt;">[Norwich Mercury, 04 August 1832, p3 c1]</span></p>
<p>The <em>Norwich Mercury</em> reported: &#8220;This case rested almost entirely on the uncorroborated evidence of an accomplice, who had never mentioned the matter till he was apprehended on suspicion of setting fire to some premises at Winfarthing.&#8221; <span style="font-size: 10pt;">[Norwich Mercury, 04 August 1832, p3 c1]</span></p>
<p>William Ebbon and his family stayed in Winfarthing for a few years after this, but sometime after 1836, the family emigrated to the United States.</p>
<p>In 1840, William was recorded at Sackets Harbor, Hounsfield, Jefferson, New York and again at Hounsfield in 1855 before the trail goes quiet.</p>
<p>All <a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ebbon-2">William Ebbons</a>&#8216; other &#8216;accomplices&#8217; remained in Winfarthing. <span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"><a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hubbard-12292">Robert Hubbard</a>, the &#8216;turncoat&#8217;, died there only a few years later in 1835. </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"><a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Green-18103">Christopher Green</a> died in 1860 at the Kenninghall Union Workhouse. </span><a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dixon-20861">Robert Dixon</a> died at Winfarthing in 1865, and <a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mollett-542">Francis Mollett</a> died in the Kenninghall Union Workhouse in 1873.</p>
<p>Has anyone you were researching ever been mentioned on television?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Just outside the entrance to St Mary&#8217;s church in Morchard Bishop, Devon, is a solitary grave. The grave stone is so worn, only the name &#8216;Alfred Wreford&#8217; can be made&#8230; </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just outside the entrance to St Mary&#8217;s church in Morchard Bishop, Devon, is a solitary grave.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-grave-1.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3474" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-grave-1.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<p>The grave stone is so worn, only the name &#8216;Alfred Wreford&#8217; can be made out.</p>
<p>Fortunately, there was a list of burials inside the church which quickly gave me Alfred&#8217;s death date and the fact he was only 8 years old when he died.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Screenshot-2024-08-10-191418.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3450" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Screenshot-2024-08-10-191418.png" alt="" width="600" height="39" /></a></p>
<p>Of course, I wanted to know more. I was unable to find any mention of Alfred&#8217;s death in the newspaper, which indicates he was likely to have died from some kind of illness rather than a tragic accident. To know for sure, I&#8217;d have to order his death certificate. But if I ordered every certificate that took my fancy, I wouldn&#8217;t have enough money to eat, so that will have to remain a mystery for now.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve still been able to find some details about Alfred&#8217;s life.</p>
<p><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">Alfred was baptised at Morchard Bishop on 25 May 1863, </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);">the son of agricultural labourer Matthew Wreford and his wife, Mary Drew.</span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"> </span><span style="background-color: var(--global--color-background); color: var(--global--color-primary); font-family: var(--global--font-secondary); font-size: var(--global--font-size-base);"> This was the second marriage for both his parents, and although Alfred would be the only child his parents would have together, he had 7 older half-siblings combined. At the time of his baptism, the family were residing on The Street in Morchard Bishop. </span></p>
<p>In the 1871 census, Alfred can be found with his parents and 14-year-old half sister, living at &#8216;Sidbury&#8217; (or Sidborough) which is part of the village of Oldborough (just south of Morchard Bishop).</p>
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<p>I was able to find photographs of the house but it looks a lot grander today than it would have done in the 1870s. (<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240810185606/https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1250659?section=official-list-entry">Historic England</a> states it was formerly a small farmhouse and adjoining cottage.)</p>
<p>Alfred would die only a few months after the census was taken, and be buried next to the church building, where I would discover him 153 years later.</p>
<p><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-grave-2.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-3473" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-grave-2.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="498" /></a></p>
<p>But since I have a theory that I am related to <em>every</em> Wreford buried in Morchard Bishop, I wanted to find out how this boy was related to me.</p>
<p>Turns out, Alfred was my fourth cousin, once removed, and two sets of his 3rd great grandparents were also my 7th great grandparents:</p>
<p>Set one &#8211; William Wreford (1717-1763) and Thomasin Manley (1719 &#8211; 1794)<br />
Set two &#8211; Matthew Wreford (1712-1752) and Sarah James (1717 &#8211; 1763)</p>
<p>William and Matthew were brothers &#8211; the children of Matthew Wreford (1682 &#8211; 1763) and Elizabeth Manley (1684 &#8211; 1757) &#8211; and two of Matthew&#8217;s children grew up to marry two of William&#8217;s children.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3469" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3469" style="width: 600px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me.png"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3469" src="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me.png" alt="" width="600" height="737" srcset="https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me.png 2237w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me-1250x1536.png 1250w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me-1667x2048.png 1667w, https://geneageek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Alfred-Wreford-connection-to-me-1568x1927.png 1568w" sizes="auto, (min-width: 1280px) 840px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(100vw - 460px), (min-width: 652px) 800px, (min-width: 482px) calc(100vw - 80px), calc(100vw - 40px)" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3469" class="wp-caption-text">Common Ancestors with Alfred Wreford</figcaption></figure>
<p>Nice to have &#8216;met&#8217; you, cousin Alfred.</p>
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